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Chicken pox vaccine
Posted by honeypie (253 days ago)
Hi,
Did you opt for this vaccine for your toddler? if so, at what age?
The pedia told me i can do it in the next few months, my baby is 13 months old. Still undecided if we have to do it soon.
Thanks.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
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Posted by smsm (252 days ago)
Yes...we opted for it the moment my girl turned 1..
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Cinnsim (252 days ago)
Both my sons had the shoot when they were about 14 months old. Actually my eldest son got chicken pox (very mild, only a few blister) when he was 8 months old. It was very uncomfortable, he kept crying - maybe he felt ictchy. When he turned one year old, my paedia said it was OK for him to have the shoot.
(I am based in Bangkok)
Posted by ldsllvn (252 days ago)
yes - had it at 12 months. of course the vaccine does not stop them getting chicken pox, but if they do, it will be in a milder form.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by honeypie (252 days ago)
Thanks moms, i'll have him have that vaccine next month.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Chrispy06 (252 days ago)
Hi Honeypie!
My daughter had the jab 2 weeks ago and she was fine. My docotor said some babies may react to it with a very mild fever in 10-14 days but most of them won't have any reactions. So don't worry about it, the recommended age is 12 months so it's fine to give it to your boy.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by flowers-daffodil (252 days ago)
i was told that its compulsory in canada for the chicken pox vaccine and i believe its given at 1 year old.
i'm also thinking about giving the chicken pox vaccine to my 14month old daughter. the dr says if she gets chicken pox later it will be in milder form.
the only thing is that i also have to give her the 2nd flu jab and i'm told that i can give her the chicken pox vaccine at the same time. just seems 2 shots in one day is a bit too much and i dont know if the side effects may be worse. anyways, the dr says its ok to have the 2 shots at the same time, save the toddler from having shots on 2 separate days.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by flowers-daffodil (251 days ago)
Ruth in canada - thanks for correcting me wouldnt want to give wrong info to other mothers!
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by purefit (197 days ago)
After looking at this site one wonders whether to give vaccines to children and if it is safe?
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by axptguy38 (197 days ago)
Our daughters get all their vaccines as per doctor recommendations (US and now HK).
If you have doubts and want to make an informed opinion, this forum is probably not the best place. ;)
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by exyogi (196 days ago)
purefit>
Researching and educating yourself about vaccines empowers you by enabling YOU to take responsibility for the health of you and yours. That site, mercola.com, is a very good reference starting point to help you make an informed decision. Just make ample use of the search engine on that site.
(I am based in Unspecified)
Posted by flashback (191 days ago)
Remember that Chicken Pox, though thought of as a childhood disease is very common and has quite a few consequences. All of my children got this illness together at ages 12, 17 and 18, while I came down with shingles at the same time - which is an adult manifestation of the disease that can reoccur after one has first contracted chicken pox. Everything in life poses a risk. It is probably riskier to be unvaccinated than vaccinated for illnesses like these.
I would have vaccinated my children had that particular vaccine been available at the time. Having had chicken pox predisposes one to shingles throughout one's life - it reoccurs often in stressful situations or when exposed to the virus. It is a painful illness and very common. Read up on shingles as well as chicken pox and vaccine before you decide against this vaccination.
As you know, one of my children could not be vaccinated for anything due to egg allergy. This has caused considerable anxiety for me over the years. Be informed, yes, but don't be complacent.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by exyogi (191 days ago)
"It is probably riskier to be unvaccinated than vaccinated for illnesses like these."
Has anyone noticed that comments like the above from the pro-vaccinationist are never supported by any data or research? If you want to "be informed ... but not complacent" about chicken pox, start your research with the following Mercola link...
http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?q=chicken%20pox
(I am based in Unspecified)
Posted by axptguy38 (191 days ago)
"Has anyone noticed that comments like the above from the pro-vaccinationist are never supported by any data or research? "
We've had this discussion before, exyogi. ;) In my opinion, your comments are just as unsupported by any serious research...
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by omaharrison (191 days ago)
"Has anyone noticed that comments like the above from the pro-vaccinationist are never supported by any data or research? "
Well, I don't know of any resaerches but would an actuall outbreak of measels because of unvaccinated kids will be enough?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/921627.html
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by exyogi (190 days ago)
omaharrison>
"Well, I don't know of any resaerches but would an actuall outbreak of measels because of unvaccinated kids will be enough?"
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/921627.html
No, it wouldn't be enough because there have been outbreaks of measles ... small pox ... diphtheria ... whooping cough ... TB ... and polio amongst the vaccinated for those very same diseases they were vaccinating against. In some instances the vaccine itself actually caused the disease .....
http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html
(I am based in Unspecified)
Posted by omaharrison (190 days ago)
Some vaccines are made with dead virus and some with weak one. True, sometimes things happen. Medicine is not perfect! but if you will check http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/data/data_regions/en/index.html
you will see that over all in countries where vaccination is wide, there are less reported cases.
Vaccinations are given by health departsments for free, so i think the risk of the big companies cashing in on fear is much less in this case.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by exyogi (190 days ago)
omaharrison>
"...sometimes things happen."
In the US alone, almost a BILLION dollars in payouts have been made for vaccine injuries, yet you dismiss those injuries as "sometimes things happen".
<sigh>..... What a mindset!
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statistics_report.htm
(I am based in Unspecified)
Posted by omaharrison (189 days ago)
"In the US alone, almost a BILLION dollars in payouts have been made for vaccine injuries"
So what do you suggest? we all go back to the days where half of Europes' population is wiped out because of a bug ??????
Do you know how many people actually died in a car accident because they were wearing seat belt? Do you know how many lives where saved because the person did not wear it and was thrown out of the car only to suffer minor injuries, while those who did wear suffered badly?
instead of looking how much MONEY was paid try and compare as over all how many reported outbreaks of deseases in the vaccinated countries compared to unvaccinated populations.
Even if I look at the data you sent. In 2007 which is the highest number you have 82 cases where they were awarded around 1 million each. at the bottom of that page you can see that over all since 1988 there were 12,321 filled cases and 2,122 cases where they actually compansated and that covers most of the vaccinations given.
Now comapre those numbers to those in poor countries where there are no vaccinations.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by exyogi (189 days ago)
omaharrison>
"... we all go back to the days where half of Europes' population is wiped out because of a bug ??????"
What bug wiped out half of Europe's population and what does that have to do with vaccinations?
"Do you know how many people actually died in a car accident because they were wearing seat belt?"
No, I don't know, and what does that have to do with vaccinations?
" Do you know how many lives where saved because the person did not wear it and was thrown out of the car only to suffer minor injuries, while those who did wear suffered badly?"
No, I don't know, and what does that have to do with vaccinations?
"instead of looking how much MONEY was paid try and compare as over all how many reported outbreaks of deseases in the vaccinated countries compared to unvaccinated populations ..... Now compare those numbers to those in poor countries where there are no vaccinations."
#1 - Which "poor countries where there are no vaccinations" are you referring to?
#2 - Which vaccinated countries are you referring to?
#3 - Since not every country require the same vaccinations, which specific vaccination are you referring to?
#4 - Please tell what the comparison analysis reveals.
(I am based in Unspecified)
Posted by flashback (189 days ago)
exyogi... you made your choice...
We made ours. Get over it.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by exyogi (188 days ago)
flashback>
Yes, I can understand your attitude. This is a common reaction from those who've been conditioned to believe in vaccinations and then discover that their strongly held beliefs have no basis in facts.
Some people, when faced with the true nature of vaccinations accept they've been misled and correct the matter with research and self education.
Others act in denial and continue to embrace the vaccination ritual. You fall into this category when you credit the result of your disease free (only chicken pox), unvaccinated son to the illogical belief that his good health was due to others around him being vaccinated. This is denial. The unwilling "experiment" you observed with your own eyes should have proven to you the fallacy of the pro-vaccinationist belief that "one must be vaccinated to be protected from disease".
(I am based in Unspecified)
Posted by cara (188 days ago)
actually, the attitude can also be from someone who completely disagrees with you about the advantages of vaccination. many of us here believe that you are the one who has been misled and that you use anecdotal evidence and apply it to huge groups of people.
i'm curious as to how you feel about, say, by-pass surgery or transplants? i'm sure that many people die in heart surgery, does that make it bad? does that mean that people should stop having the surgery? or are there far more people saved by these developments in modern medicine?
people that choose to vaccinate their children are NOT doing it because they have been misled. they are doing it because they believe that the risk is minimal compared to the possible consequences.
if you believe that the risk is not worth it that is YOUR CHOICE. it does NOT make those of us that disagree with you bad parents.
in the words of flashback, get over it!
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by axptguy38 (188 days ago)
Agreed with Cara and Flashback. We heard you loud and clear exyogi. Accept the fact that we disagree.
Get over it!
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by flashback (188 days ago)
exyogi - forums are great places for sharing divergent viewpoints. A critical literacy is vital for us to make informed decisions, but your assertion that having heard all the facts, those who choose to act contrary to what you might, are in denial is revealing more than anything.
Thank you for your spirited defence of the anti-immunisation platform. It's important to hear all of the arguments. But I wonder about someone who - though finding no opposition here from us (go ahead and do as you will, we all trust that you believe you are doing the right thing) still feel that is not enough. You must insist that we are the ones who are wrong. That if we choose to immunise we are suffering a delusional fantasy.
I've thought about why someone may have to insist on this position. I can come up with a few conclusions, but the most convincing is that you feel inadequate in some way. Perhaps you are being criticised by others in your family and social group regarding your choice, and feel the need to assert your beliefs in a forum such as this.
I am sadly reminded of the recent case of the woman who (being HIV positive herself) refused to allow her child to be tested, insisting that no visible signs of disease indicated good health. Sadly, her child died some time later. Earlier intervention would have helped. We all understand what this woman felt, and who can know the right way really? What is the connection? I suggest that you are defending a position that you know is contrary to generally understood commonsense, defended by a host of medical opinion that prefers a payout for those who unfortunately are biologically sensitive to immunisation rather than deprive the greater majority of this good.
Look we all fear the worst with our own children. How we grieve when they endure these 'routine' things, knowing they could fit into the unwanted statistic. We feel for you the trauma and worry that youmay be dooming your children to some hideous future while choosing these socially approbated solutions. We know that feeling. We respect your fears, concerns and all the evidence you have raised. We've read it. Nonetheless, we know that there is more at stake than our own lives and the lives of our children (as awful as this sounds to say) but the horror of allowing the return of these terrible diseases return speaks more loudly to us. We - those who chose to do this - know there is another principle at stake here - social responsibility.
I'm sorry you see this as denial. I see it as gut-wrenching dilemma and sacrifice. We take the risk, eyes open, fearful and devoted to our children and the health of our society. It's not denial. If anything it is trust. We do our best as parents.
I am sure everyone understands your viewpoint. We just don't share it. Don't presume this means that we are blindfolded or unfeeling, or uneducated. We just made a different decision for reasons different from yours.
I know how you feel. We all do. Good luck with your life and your children's health. Keep us informed, but respect our choice as we respect yours.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by exyogi (185 days ago)
cara>
Are you and I forever destined to ALWAYS be on opposite sides of medical issues? ;)
I've not looked into by-pass surgery but I remember reading somewhere that it's only effective in about 4% of the cases (don't hold me to that number). IF it is true, then I'd have to say that yes, that makes it bad. And yes, people should stop having the surgery.
You must understand that "modern medicine's" purpose is not to bring you health, but to generate income - it's a business. Just like when you go buy a car, a cell phone, refrigerator, whatever, the sales person wants you to buy the "extra this" or the "advanced that" NOT because you need or even what it, but because it generates profit for them. "Modern medicine" is no different in that regards - getting you to buy things that you don't need: Want to be protected from diseases? Clean water, sanitation, nutritious food, and your immune system is not enough ..... you need toxic and dangerous vaccinations (for a fee, of course).
Contrary to what you and others may think, my contributions to this form is not to pass judgments on vaccination decisions people make. I could care less what others decide to do about vaccinations. All my posting have only one purpose (go re-read them) - to provide educational references so people who are making a vaccination decision can make an INFORMED decision.
Examples:
If someone thinks vaccinations are safe - I've provided references showing that they are not safe.
If someone thinks vaccinations provide immunity from diseases, I've provided references showing that they do not
If someone thinks vaccinations are needed to protect children from childhood diseases - flashback, a pro-vaccinationist contributor to this forum, has confirmed with direct personal proof that they are not needed
If someone thinks vaccinations eradicated diseases - I've provided references showing diseases were already down by 80-90% BEFORE vaccinations were introduced. And some diseases are gone that never even had a vaccination!
It matters not to me weather someone vaccinate or doesn't vaccinate - I don't care one way or the other. However, I do care - STRONGLY - about dispelling those pro-vaccinating falsehoods you people (pro-vaccination) like to throw around as if they're facts.
(I am based in Unspecified)
Posted by exyogi (185 days ago)
flashback>
"... but your assertion that having heard all the facts, those who choose to act contrary to what you might, are in denial ..."
I've never made such an assertion. Show me where I've done this.
"...You must insist that we are the ones who are wrong. That if we choose to immunize we are suffering a delusional fantasy."
Again, you are incorrect. Show me where I've insisted that you are wrong and claimed you are suffering a delusion fantasy for immunizing.
"I've thought about why someone may have to insist on this position. I can come up with a few conclusions, but the most convincing is that you feel inadequate in some way. Perhaps you are being criticized by others in your family and social group regarding your choice, and feel the need to assert your beliefs in a forum such as this."
inadequate in some way?????!!!!! LOL!!! Is that the BEST conclusion you can come up with!!!!!!!
Here is a conclusion you should have considered: I take my position because I have personally been injured by one of your "vaccines-that-saved-humanity"! I guess I'm one of those "unfortunate biologically sensitive" (your words) to the toxic and dangerous ingredients they put in the vaccines-that-saved-humanity (VTSH).
Fortunately for me, the paralysis that your VTSH caused was only a temporary one. I was able to start walking again after a very frightening hour. The trauma and shock of being completely healthy and normal one minute, then, an invalid 5 minutes later was/is the stimulus that got me researching into your "vaccines-that-saved-humanity".
As a result of that experience, I'm now, (in the words of Jake and Elwood from the movie "The Blues Brothers")..... "on a mission from God" to counter the pro-vaccination lies with FACTS - at every opportunity.
Inadequate in some way, huh? That's a good one flashback, but don't give up your day job just yet. Your budding career as a psychologist isn't quite ready for prime time.
"I suggest that you are defending a position that you know is contrary to generally understood commonsense..."
Is the commonsense you are referring to here the same commonsense that have you believing your UNVACCINATED child (now an adult) that grew up in your household - disease free (except for chicken pox) - is because the other people around your child were vaccinated?
".... social responsibility."
Ah, yes, social responsibility ..... vaccination tactic #20 from .....
http://thinktwice.com/ploys.htm
(I am based in Unspecified)
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